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MERRY CHRISTMAS! Join The Quarter Mile Podcast and The Movie Wars Podcast in this very special CHRISTMAS CROSSOVER EPISODE where Drew Davis interviews Kyle Castro about his love for the movie POINT BREAK!

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Merry Christmas and welcome back to the quarter mile podcast and welcome back to the

movie wars podcast. I don't know if it's possible Kyle to welcome to people to two podcasts at

the same time but we're gonna do it. This is a very special episode. Merry Christmas. We're here.

We're do well well you're there and I'm here. You're there. I miss you in person though. Yeah this

is this is a virtual and it's on Christmas at least when people listen to it so I hope everyone's

having a great Christmas or if you don't celebrate Christmas then Merry life. I just hope you're having

a great life. I just hope things are going well and for what and maybe and maybe this isn't even

on Christmas. Maybe you're listening to this four years from now on a Tuesday in February and if

that's the case I hope you're having a great Tuesday. Very special episode. Very exciting. We are

in a combined crossover movie wars and the quarter mile podcast. I'll tell you how we got here people.

So Kyle Castro who is the host of the movie movies wars. So many of you already know him. It invited

me a while back to be part of the movie wars podcast so we did a few episodes. Easily the best

episode we did was the Crow wicked prayer. That was I think that's the highlight for everybody honestly.

It changed us. Maybe not for the better but it changed us. In the process of giving no

each other and talking about our perspective podcast I mentioned how Point Break was going to be our

first episode for season two of the quarter mile podcast. Kyle let me know then that Point Break is

one of his favorite movies and so I said well we have to interview you before we actually get into

season two. So this is a bonus contact. This is a special Christmas episode. It's a movie wars

crossover. It's just all the good things. Before we do any of that Kyle I know all of your listeners know

you and some of your listeners may know me because I've been on a few episodes but it's safe to say

that all ten of my listeners probably don't know you. So tell us a little about yourself and end in

the context of telling yourself telling us about you you have to answer the question that I ask

every guest on our podcast which is what is your relationship with the fast and furious? Yeah.

Yeah man and it's really funny that's a funny question to ask today. Honestly very on today specifically

but man I am a Nashville based a lot of things on a standard comedian that's how Drew and I met.

We've become really good friends and we've had a heck of a time on movie wars and it's been

funny to get to know each other over there and it's been fun to get to know and support your

podcast and your crew and but yeah I'm an old guy though I have four kids I married yeah I have a lot

of things going on I've been producing and hosting the movie wars podcast for almost five years now

Drew is part of what I call movie wars 2.0 you know I did the first version with my two best friends

and you know there's no ill will they just they got busy and I never lost that passion so for a few

months this year I had to bash my head against the wall we were growing tremendously and I didn't

want to give up and then I like thought about you and Seth and Mary Anna and Matthew Bleven's I'm like

I have all these really smart comedian friends that love movies and talk so eloquently about them

I was like what if we just have like this crew of like in and out when when Drew's not on the road

which is you know you're on the road all the time but you're so you bless us by coming in on a Sunday

and and recording usually driving back from you drive back from your gig like in Memphis the airport

to come do a gig and or come do the podcast so it's worked out really well and you know I'm actually

in and for your crew I'm just a fun to announce I mean I haven't even told my crew yet but I'm in

author in January I'm going to market with my book I just got a lit agent so I do a lot of things

I moved here to play music I'm just kind of an all-around creative and I'm just obsessed with making

things so that's kind of who I am and how what is my relationship with fast and furious you know

I was never super into car based movies unless it was attached to Sylvester Stallone Keanu Reeves

or Ronald Schwarzenegger if it was like a tank or a vehicle that's all I cared about but you know

like racing movies and it wasn't until we covered fast and furious versus point break because our

old model on movie wars is we actually did put movies against each other which we don't do anymore

thank god the work the work that I'm working off those are cool episodes I did like that

it minus the overwork for you guys it was great for the listeners I'm sure yeah it was a lot of work

with the new models easier and more fun but I never really gay I'll be honest I didn't give fast

and furious a lot of credit and one problem too was is I I kind of cut it off a Tokyo drift that

that one didn't really I couldn't really take it much more seriously after that but

I've heard that many people have the same sentiment you're not like the only person on earth

that thinks that yeah and I think one thing to happen was when Paul Walker passed away

and that was tragic and I saw people mourning I was like man make people like support this franchise

and I did like Paul Walker like Varsity Blues is one of my favorite movies written by the same guy

that wrote point break and that's he's in that and I was like wow people really are like there's

like a community of people that I didn't know existed that were really like like just unconscionable

like they couldn't believe he died and I was like there's a community out there and so that

peaked my curiosity and then my my co-host was the first person he's a die hard car person like

obsessed with cars yeah so he loves the series and he goes you know that there's this kind of like

misnomer that are not really a misnomer but this idea that point break was ripped off by fast and

furious and that it's kind of the same movie and that they just kind of re-did it with cars years

later I was like really and we ended up covering it and you know me I'd go head head head long

into research like I'm reading listening to commentaries if there's a book I'm reading it

and what ended up happening was yeah it's a little bit of a rip off but I ended up really enjoying

what I learned and then I ended up interviewing Mick Rogers the guy who made fast and furious happen

with the with the cars you know he was able to he created the Mick rig this is kind of a long answer

I'm sorry but you know long way you were expecting this um yeah I'm not surprised but I'm also not

disappointed I deal appreciate all the answers yeah but Mick Rogers like and I just in he won like the

not like an Oscar you know there's Oscars that like the the directors and writers get but then

there's like technical awards that you don't really see and he was actually the second person I

interviewed the first person I interviewed was Tim McGovern who was one of the first person people

to use a specific kind of CGI and he used it in total recall and they both got what's like a technical

award Mick Rogers got a technical award for inventing the thing because he he was like you guys want to do

all these amazing car stunts and chases and but you want to do it the old way with with trailers and

platforms and green screens he was like it's gonna look it's not gonna look innovative but I think when

he read the pages he he felt there was more so he went out and took a part of van and he used taking

apart these vehicles and he created the Mick rig which is not only does it allow the cars to be

faster and look realistic but the but it's safe enough for the once they're trained the actors can

actually drive them and so I really grew a lot of respect because I love innovation in film and it

was one of those things that I wouldn't have known had not gotten deep into research and met Mick

Rogers he's also Mel Gibson stuntman by the way which is even but that's crazy yeah he's incredible

he's in all the lethal weapons and brave heart I mean he's he's in all of Mel's films but I really

just grew a lot of respect and I ended up I actually now own all of them actually well whatever the

box set has the box set is missing the newest one but I have a box yeah well yeah because it depends

on when you every time they get a new one they make a new special edition box set so the latest one

does have 10 but if you bought it before 10 then yeah and I think lastly I'll close with this like

it like I said there was this just kind of conversion that happened where I went from kind of

thinking it was you know I actually don't think negatively about Nickelback but you know it was kind

of the Nickelback franchise of films and then I end up going in and realizing like I kind of like

Nickelback like they got a lot of great songs there's a lot to like there and I think you know this

too you've been around long enough to know like you go into a movie you don't don't expect something it's

not and like when you realize like what it is it's super refreshing and delightful and it's a great

summer watch like yeah if one of the one of the mood with those is on TV and you got an hour and a

beverage and the kids aren't home it's like I'm gonna watch this you know it's like really refreshing so

that's my how I kind of came into going from thinking it was not not a great franchise to really

like enjoying it watching it well if you listen to this and you don't know Kyle um again check out

the movie wars podcast I mean if you're listening to this podcast something tells me you probably

enjoy movies and movie rewatch podcasts be weird if you didn't you're here but we're glad you're here

either way so it is Christmas so hopefully you are having a great Christmas hopefully you got to

eat some good food or see some family or get a really good gift or maybe your style of Christmas is

being as far away from your crazy family as possible and hopefully you get to do that and are having

a great time because you're listening to this podcast but now we are coming to what I'm most excited

about with this interview because like I said when me and Kyle first started talking movies I was telling

him that season two episode one we're we're covering Fast and Furious adjacent movies which means

the first movie we're gonna cover is Point Break which uh Fast and Furious got a lot of inspiration from

in Point Break um and then he was like that he's like Point Break is my Fast and Furious is what he said

this is the movie that you know he's I love this movie and I said well we have to interview you before

before we actually cover the movie now I want to be clear with all my listeners uh from the

quarter mile podcast we are gonna do an official movie review of Point Break in January this is more

if you've if you heard our bonus feature episode where we interviewed Richie about his opinions

and Fast and Furious this is us interviewing Kyle and getting his opinions on Point Break it's like

an appetizer a point break appetizer we call this a stocking stuff or that's what we'll call it

this is stocking stuff right like the Christmas thing going so Kyle just right off the

bat why is why is Point Break such an important movie for you well I was honored when you asked

me first of all just because I'm just honored to be asked to be on your podcast and um and it's one

of those things where like if we were in the middle of a war like you and I were like in the trenches

and someone like just random said you want to talk about Point Break I would drop my gun and take

my helmet off and just I would just just yes get let right now and uh I just I love it you know

I'm not to get too emotional you know but I don't I didn't have a great my dad's dad I didn't have a

great relationship with him but he was a narcotics officer and he looked like a villain from Point Break

you know he looked like he had the long black hair earrings uh you know his job was to pretend to be a

drug dealer and that was his career and what one of the things that came along with that is that he

really like loved cop movies and action movies and uh and he was also like a not not not like a full

long body builder but I what do you call him like amateur he was an amateur body builder and so he

had these weights and he had this Arnold poster right and like one of the very few ways I ever

connected with him ever like we just didn't connect it all right but one of the ways we did connect

was like I was so curious about that poster on the wall and so from a very young age I was

indoctrinated with predator uh terminator Robocop way too young but as you can see Robocops my favorite

movie of all time love that poster in the wall yeah and so you know I always had this love for action

I was obsessed with Arnold movies I had seen most of them by the time I was six or seven I had seen

I was born in 87 so anything that came out before and then up until that point I had seen

and then sly I loved Rambo Cobra you know that's another top 50 movie for me

but there's also this thing so when you study action films you know like there's this arc

action was always like an element of films it wasn't a genre for a long time it was like in James

Bond films it was in Westerns but then like you get to the 70s and you start seeing like Clint East

would in dirty hairy um you start to see action become more exponential and then it comes becomes a

full blown genre and then we have these actors which are you know they're genre defining in the way

that not only did they define action like sly and Arnold but it wasn't necessarily it's like what

movie do we want to make it was I want to work with Arnold Schwarzenegger and what can we put around

those guys because their brand was so big so zoom out from that then you have the arc right like

think about how massive those guys were I'm talking physically like muscles oil tanned the biggest

guns but then in the 90s what we see starting with die hard with Bruce Willis and Keanu Reeves what are

those guys having common I mean they're handsome they're they're slightly jacked but they're not like

menacing Hulk guys so there's this next evolution in action stars where like they're what you would call

in every man even though they're still like extremely handsome athletic and you know Keanu Reeves knows

martial arts and does st- his own stunt work and isn't incredible he's incredible with guns if you ever

watch a John Wick training footage extremely dedicated actor but anyway they represented this next wave

and you know Arnold and Sly were always cool but point break was this new and die hard was like this too

it was this new taste of action it was like surfing it was everything it was surfing we're robbing

banks we're wearing a president mask we're jumping off planes we're chasing in cars we're we're

using gas station handles to create flame throwers like it was eleven out of going on moors and dogs

that people yes we're casting the red hot chili peppers you know and we're getting Patrick Swazie

after ghost you know he was he was writing that ghost high i mean that movie was huge and he was a

romance guy and he was one of the most you know sexy men ever and acting and then he's like i want to

do this role like because he's actually this life he was this life guy like he loved adrenaline

in real life and so people didn't realize that he was an adrenaline junkie and so it was perfect

for him and so that people like how did they land him across from Keanu like in the studio didn't want

Keanu but Catherine Bigelow was obsessed with them and she wanted him and he was an unknown man she

saw she saw the potential there yeah especially since like i mean like we look at it in future

sight like yeah Keanu is great for this role but like what was that one movie he was known for

back then it was a comedy of uh bill and dead bill and Ted yeah yeah bill dead like that was kind of

his big thing so yeah rightfully so the rest of the directors are like really this guy uh but

she saw it man yeah she did and you know and and it's one of those things where like we had never really

when you talk about the evolution of action filmmaking we just I mean lethal weapon had kind of

laid the groundwork too a little bit but that really diverged into buddy cop which I guess you could

argue Gary buce and Keanu do have a a tangent of that buddy cop thing here but you know lethal

weapon never exactly exploded into pure action in my opinion it pretty much stayed in the in the

buddy cop vain but we had just never seen so much cool that's really the the simple way to say it

was imagine being a kid who had a grown up watching Arnold and Sly and then seeing point break and

being like this has everything f b i you know in the funny jokes and it was just it was a it was on

an amplifier it was cranked the entire time um and you know and it was and we my dad would you know

this is back in the day we had our vogue video and springdl arc and saw where we lived that's where

his head quarterly he was a state police officer but he would go and he would record the vhs so he

would rent it and record it in return it so we had i don't know how he did it but this is back in

the day with vhs and i had one tape that had robo cop point break and co-bron it and every week

i would just put that remember that you were three hours you could record like three hours so i

had like two vhs is and i would just cycle those two vhs is just point break co-bron Robocop point

break my whole childhood from five years basically i'm just eating those movies eating those movies and so

i you know that was a long answer but it's you know it's a it's an emotional thing is this one of

the few things i connected with my dad on but you know yeah that's interesting and i love that

about movies is the what people don't understand when someone talks about their favorite movie

there's always something more than the plot it's always something more than the you know they

something about the movie reminds them of someone or a good occasion or something like that i

mean my my listeners will know that that's why i love fast and furious so much is the idea that you

have family that's not related to you that has that kind of connection like that's my friends

and the people like human connection relationships are so important to me and so like that aspect of

fast and furious was what kind of caught me on to it so yeah i love that about i love that for you

with point break with the kind of the connection with your relationship with your father but also just

that you know that was the one of the three movies you had and the vcr so that that was cool so

let me ask you this and i should actually clarify i'm almost the opposite as far as movies wise i

saw i have seen the first fast and furious easily at least 13 times which by the way that's not a

movie you should see 13 times it doesn't warrant that many times but i have and it wasn't until like

a couple months ago or maybe last month that i saw point break for the first time so it is a great

movie i loved it so my question is like let's talk about i don't know if i've really formed this

into a question yet but i want to know your thoughts on like fast and furious ripping off point break

for their first movie like that's always been weird to me and i don't know if i fully understand

why they did it or and then nowadays i almost would say after seeing both i if you would never told me

that fast and furious ripped off point break i wouldn't have come to that conclusion now i can't

deny it because people in fast and furious and point break have both mentioned it so like it is a

fact but like i almost like i almost want to like disagree with them um sure yeah well it's interesting

because the director of fast and furious i when i interviewed peter isle if he did say Simon called

him and apologized for ripping him off like he did say that i don't know if Simon felt that he actually

did but when those rumors began to be so strong and peter appreciated and also i don't think peter cared

you know peter is a super laid back dude and he's he don't think he cared um you know i think in a

lot of ways the bones are very similar but the bones are very similar in this genre anything

that's right action there's not a lot of ideas in this world of action and i think i think it's

the high adrenaline the high speed even though the vehicles are mostly cars in the and there's a lot

of different vehicles than the other one it's this idea of movement you know in extremism you know i

think they do both lean on those very heavenly and and i think the the undercover cop thing

in full trading a group uh and and then i also think one of the other similarities is there there is

a duality um with the leaders you know with bode and what's sorry what is vendeeces's character's name

i don't want to a dominic treta there are similarities there i wouldn't say that that vendeeces's

character is a zen but there's definitely this ambiguity with them where like you know they're not

a good guy but you love them you know what i mean that i think that is where i found a because i

going into watching point break i had heard people say that and i think that's where i find the

biggest disagreement because i think by the end of point break i did not like bode at all like

i was and i feel like and i feel like at least my interpretation of watching the scene like i

feel like a kiano rives he didn't like i mean he knew he was gonna die in that wave and after all

the stuff he'd put him through and with his girlfriend and all that like a lot of people were like he

was kind of ambi because like no like the dude nil he was gonna die in that wave like he

he knew and he was so sure that he was making the wrong but right decision he threw his badge away

at the end because he didn't want to be a cop after having that on like i mean he it was he

he literally was following this guy for months at the end and i but but a lot of people were saying

like vendee's will and and and or well i guess dominic treta and bode are such similar characters

and i was like no vendee's was an anti hero for sure he was the antagonist of the fast and furious

and didn't become apro antagonist into the fourth but like yeah but he was killing people

yeah i agree with you and i i think the meat is similar but the but they obviously had bigger

plans for dominic with the series obviously they flushed it out and he's obviously become a very

beloved i mean he's one of the most i would say beloved you know you know if uh characters in

this genre you know and yeah i think i think everyone the reason vendee's will has as much fame as he

does is because everyone just wishes he was dominic treta i think i think i think i think like it's

because you find out in real life he's actually nothing like that he knows like very different dude

but you're like dominic treta is so cool so we have to like vendee's all yeah i do think

if you compare the first three-quarters of both movies they are very similar yes it is a very

interesting choice because they weren't gonna make another point break um you know they were gonna

make a sequel yeah i mean they did make the really horrible remake that even Peter i love hated

and regretted having his name on it but they had to because he wrote the original screenplay but

that ejecting that from your mind yeah i think 75% of the way they are you could say wow these

are very similar yeah but i think paul walkers character and canary's characters very similar like

that was you could you could almost have them and maybe it was your house podcast then i'm quoting

this on accidentally from what you guys said but you could almost have paul walker and canary's trade

places and they could do the roles almost the same yes we did say that and it's very true yeah

and they both would they both would do very well um in the opposite role i would actually

that's an experiment we should run in the in the simulation out there absolutely AI

please god no but closing out that 75% thought like i do think the first three-quarter of the way you

could say they're very similar but it's an interesting writing choice and i think it's one of the

complexities that is built in the point break that is different is that the bode who is the spiritual

guru ask criminal is a is a major hypocrite and he ends up in he ends up becoming very selfish and he

and he'll do anything to evade whereas up until that point you think this guy is like about

community and people and the steveery thing is like raw it's almost you was comparing more to robin hood

than Charles man yeah whereas dominix arc and of course we have a lot more source material but

right his arc is that quote you mentioned earlier which is family loyalty he he sticks to that and

yeah he's not perfect and in the mistakes he makes along the way is what makes the plot really

interesting in that series but by and large you can summarize him through about with loyalty to

family dedication and love those are things whereas bode he he he moated those things early on but

showed who he really was at the end yeah and i think that's the major twist yeah and i agree with

basically everything you're saying i i think that um you know at the beginning the movies

definitely come from similar starting points but by the end to me they are completely different

movies i mean even the the themes and the plot and the main points like the takeaways of the movies

like uh they feel like completely different movies which is why if if i didn't know already

that fast and furious was a ripoff of point break i would have never come to that conclusion on my own

um i could kind of see it as i'm watching it but um especially just the overall themes of the movies

and character development to me is different well if people if you're hearing this and you're like man

they are not talking about point break enough uh i can't trust enough uh come back to the quarter mile

podcast in january when we drop our uh our our actual episode review of point break uh and we're gonna

we're gonna really i feel like we're gonna really dig into the details of the kind of comparison

with the fast and furious when we get into it uh because i feel like there's a lot of stuff we can say

about that um if you are listening to this then you know this is a uh movie wars uh and the quarter mile

podcast uh crossover episode and what you've been hearing a lot right now is kind of the vibes of

the quarter mile podcast and again Kyle thank you so much for laying this interview and you and

and i hope your listeners have benefited from this as much as my listeners uh because i like

sometimes i know when i listen to podcasts you know i like to get to know the host better i like to

kind of know what takes and you share a lot of good stuff about yourself which i feel like you know

going forward and listening to you talk about movies your listeners now have like a better understanding

of you and that kind of shades just more their listening experience so again i appreciate you for

doing that you know and honor to be here man but i also know movie wars listeners uh don't come here

for the sentimental crap you guys are going into the uplifting creative stuff as you know the quarter

mile podcast which is fine you know uh we care more about family than you guys and i get that

uh but but what they want uh is they want randos and they want workards and i believe come

with both of this so here we go rand you got to get that chest randoh randoh yeah you should have

heard marie aniseida late the first time we had her on and she was like what and i was like you got

to say it she's like oh randoh it was so so i did actually i listened to that episode i really liked

that episode uh yeah so if for those that don't know that's another one of our brilliant movie loving

comedian friends one of the funniest people in Nashville um marie and a brown and one of the sweetest

people in Nashville uh everyone will talk about how funny and awesome she is on stage for just a delightful

human being just a nice faith in humanity again nice yeah perfectly said nice awesome person

all right so randos so i i got this if you want to hear the whole story go check out because

peter isleflay and the way he tells it's very romantic it's like it's just this beautiful like he

was waiting tables and he was uh he was a showrunner or or not a showrunner but he was a runner which

meant he was running stacks of paper because this was in the pre-digital age at his job on hollywood

lots is he he would waited tables but then he would like go facts things and he tells the story about

how he would use the printers and stuff to print his own screenplay even though he was supposed to be

running screenplays on paper between the studios and the executives and so he was running those stacks

around so he was working on point break with uh with a friend of him i think his name is scott king

and ridley scott bought it for six thousand dollars ridley scott is they're trying to develop it

and it is attached to charlie sheen who you know at the time was one of the hottest these coming off

platoon uh was really hot at the time johnny dev val kilmar these were all like these were household

entity names at the time were being considered for this um and so but they ran out of money they

had even built sats and things like that so they ended up going bankrupt and again this is a very

abbreviated version of the story but and then uh so james camryn ends up buying the property

after peter isle frota and cat and at the time he was married to catherine bigelow which uh that was

six or seven wives ago for james camry he basically marries one woman per movie he makes

um he's reasonable yeah yeah he's you know hey when you're when you're a great filmmaker you can do

whatever the hell you want and uh you know and so anyway catherine bigelow would eventually win

you know oscars for uh you know zero dark thirty uh and she made black hawk down she's an incredible

you know and not that you want to like you know over index on you know being female but it is a very

male dominant field and i i respect catherine bigelow so much as a as a female director who directs

powerful movies pieces action um and she she kind of steps out of what would be a typical

you know female archetype in these movies and direct some real gritty like real gritty movies like

i love what she does so anyway james camry and then so so uh so in james camry then script doctors

it too and so he kind of writes uh in updates some of ilus things and kind of gets it up to where it

is today and a lot of the action stuff they attribute to james camry because you know he was an

innovator you know 1984 we get terminator you know and so point break is a nice little like

insight into like just how innovative uh he is with the action genre um and so yeah and that's how we

that's basically how we got to where we were you know at the at the with the in product with

james camry and it's funny it's that it went from really scott to james camry and um that's kind of

wild but you know catherine bigelow uh she was the one that was she went to bat for you know keanu

rees and she was willing to put her career on the line for it you know and i mean to imagine like if

you don't remember that time the gravitas of charlie sheen johnny dev al kilmer that was a stupid

argument to make like yeah bill and tad guy like what and like you said very eloquently earlier like

wow like she she unearthed him in a lot of ways yeah um so incredible move for her to go to bat for

him uh some other uh he's a director too right like to see something in someone that hasn't happened

yet like we get it like if we went in back in time we could like yeah book keanu rees it would be great

but like that and all this stuff hadn't happened yet and those always make the best stories like you and

i talked about that when you did american psycho on movie wars and like christian bale same thing i

mean marie her and quit over not the other them not doing so sometimes these directors just see the

thing that they want and they and they know it because they're artisans you know and that's the

difference between between being an author and being a hack you know so i love this rea know it's a

short one but uh his name johnny you taught is an ode to joe montana so it's a j name and a state

so i love that and i i'm a big football fan but i didn't pick up on it until i i talked to peter

iliff which is hilarious um see next rando at patrick swazie and keanu this is not the first time they

worked together in nineteen eighty six there was a canadian hockey movie called young blood and it was

keanu Reeves first movie and the lead was roblo um but they actually had work together keanu in a very

very small role there but you can go back and watch a young blood it's a canadian hockey movie as if

there's any other kind of canadian or hockey movie right um this speaks to the tenacity of swazie so

everyone you know people know about keanu being a stunt guy like he does his own stunts he's hurt

himself he had two neck fusions when he did the matrix um if you've watched speed the scene when he's

under the bus that's keanu doing that he's under the bus like he's that guy he does all the gun

food choreography in john wik he's very dedicated you know he's not he's a little bit myopic like he's

not a he's not a guy that's going to go do uh you know the most cadandal day Lewis type role but for what

he is doing incredibly dedicated but patrick swazie equally dedicated on this film um they had

day at trouble keeping insurance uh on this film because patrick swazie wanted to do all the plane

jumps and so he jumped out of the plane i think hundreds of times there's a lot of numbers this is one

of those ingredients say oh he jumped out 20 times he jumped out a hundred times whatever it is the

insurance company did not want to ensure the film because the main star he is the highest top bill

paid uh cast member here he wanted to do all this stuff and it was a major liability to the film

he also blew out his knee doing the football scene on the beach as if the the the main

rock being surfing tan and oiledness isn't enough we're gonna play shirtless football on the beach at

night in the headlights of jeeps right of course it's kind of funny he did all this other stuff and

was fine but then like how he injured himself was playing football yeah yeah i mean in just i just

picturing in this this this masculine just the machismo this guy had i mean what a what a hero

but anyway they had so from then on they had a doctor on set so like every day they were draining his

name or every so often they had a doctor's like hey it's time to go drains wazies name um because

that what a gross job glad they did it glad i worked out it's dig great but goodness no somewhere on

ebay is there a jar of knee fluid going for you know one point two you know about the ruse

that's what i want i'm gonna comment on this podcast if you have that jar we'd love to

interview you we'll get you on the movie or his podcast i'll sell my family for it

and then uh this is really funny john c mcginley a lot of people love i think he was on scrubs right

is that what a lot of people love him i don't love that show but i love scrubs i'm trying to remember

what you're in john c mcginley is though um well he plays the captain the fbi captain the guy the young

dumb full of oh yes oh yeah he's doctor cocks in i got that i could not not see him as doctor cocks

yeah well before scrubs and he's actually in seven two he takes on these random cop fb r rolls and

he's hilarious here in some of the best lines in movie the asshole shortage line um but he said it

was an insanely difficult that that that that hallway scene where they're walking in the he says

those quotes the asshole shortage they had to do that over 50 times because he was quoted saying it's

actually really difficult to walk and talk yeah at the same time you know i wonder and i wonder

too because this this happened before scrubs like point break before scrubs so i'm wondering if when

they were casting him for that or that character if they were like we want you to be like the the

police captain in point break because he does a lot of that walking and talking and the the kind of

the comedic banter like they're so similar and so i almost i almost wonder if when they were casting

for that movie or the tv series if they were like man he did so great in point break we want we want

that again in this role yeah so yeah good point last night i don't know if doctor cocks if you're

listening let us know yeah in the comments yeah glenn wilder was a stunt coordinator last rando i

love this so if you notice there's a couple of red hot chili peppers in this movie anthony ketus

in flea and uh anthony you know can they act i don't know i just i'll let the crowd decide yeah um

but so glenn these you know and this is actually really common this is one thing that fast and

furious has a lot in common is that the actresses really wanted to drive like at what's the name of

the actress that she didn't have a she didn't have a driver's license well neither michelle rodry

gus nor a jordan abracitor had a driver's license in that in in in in for that movie so and they ended

up like really becoming legitimate stunt drivers um so that shares that's actually a back in that

that's not something you would perceive watching it but if you do research that's a cool commonality

they do both have because the actors really wanted to do their own stunts here too like some of the

extras and uh but the only person who wasn't showing up gene wilder was having these stunt things on

the weekends with surfing and fighting and like in he was like if you want to do your own stunts

you got to come on the weekends and we got to work on it so you don't get hurt well the only person

that wasn't showing up was anthony ketus from the red out chili peppers um but then he read in the

script and found out that he was going to be the first person knocked out uh during that big scene

with a lawnmower and the fighting and the guns yeah love that so when he when he found out he started

coming on the weekends because he was like i'm i'm not going to be the first to go you know in that

scene so was he wasn't he still the first to go though did it did it did they change that or no there's

like a few people that get knocked out before him but his foot gets shot is he he's the one who's foot

haven't yeah i'm gonna rewatch it before the next time i talk about it because i want to remember

to do that like that but i that that was a fun i and they didn't have any um did they have any

songs by the red hot chili peppers in the movie with no but the most epic song is that ending song by

rat rat nobody yeah nobody was it for free oh yeah yeah that was a good song i just i i was

interested i mean you already have the red hot chili peppers there yeah yeah get him to get him

to throw a track down you know i don't know give it away now yeah so right yeah great i like i like

the band way more than i like their music way more than at least the acting that i've seen from them

yeah this was rough way anthony ketus his dad was actually an actor and uh the so he actually did

he's had a few roles and he that's how he got into it was his dad was a Hollywood actor so yeah

well that's cool now he's dating a 19 year old so less cool yeah awesome everything in me and i may

edit this out later but uh he's got more in common with paul walker than more commonalities between

vassenferious and point break that's amazing god rest his soul yeah that's my rando's baby yeah that was

good those good those those are good randas shall we break let's show we let's get to the point

break i don't know should we get to the point should we should we practice our stunts on the weekends

i'm just so i hope you like these uh these that you know on the movie wars by cast we always have a

yes or no that's what we have seven categories and that's how we decide whether it's good we like it we

dig it or not um and because there's two of us we'll have to you know you know we'll have to play it play

it by two uh but yes i like it i dig it our affirmative is f b i that's your you don't have to say

it like that every time if you did it would mean a lot um and and then the if it's negative if you

didn't like the this category asshole shortage okay i thought you were gonna go with a different

quote but asshole sure which one i think you make dumb and full of common i mean i thought about it

but then i was like what if we had to say it seven times and people started getting really

yeah i mean maybe you're uncomfortable with asshole shortage um i don't know i'd rather have less

assholes than people i don't i don't know let's let's get to these let's get to this work

hard top bill cast uh patrick's wavy is the actually talk a lot of people just instantly think

kiana but no patrick's wavy was the the highest paid and then kiana reefs what do you think i

thought they were fantastic both of them did great uh i i mean both of them did so good at their

roles i honestly saw this you could i felt like watching kiana reels you could tell he was like

younger and still working to make it like i felt like he was acting more than what i'm used to

with kiana reels for better for worse he had some cheesy lines there but like like that scene you

could just really see how hurt and scared he was for his woman you know uh and then patrick's wavy

i mean he did he was i he was a great villain um i i do not understand i listened to several podcasts

where people talk about how charming and how much they liked them and i don't get that at all

because by the end of the movie i was i was about to get out there and throw him in the wave myself

you know i did not like him but i loved that i didn't like him

yeah so so interesting what was the ifram fb i f e i yeah that's got to be the positive

that's interesting you know and and and that's really and that's actually kind of refreshing

here because i live in point break land you know um i think what it is is the you know for being an

action film and being a movie that was early and kind of like reestablishing what action was going to

look like from here on out you know for the next you know decade you know bode was this really

interesting he was not a an action archetype of villain right when you look back at the Arnold movies

they typically were mussely and pretty simplistic and they were really just target practice for

grenades that Arnold had around you know um but he was complex you know and yes he did end up being

a huge hypocrite but until that moment you you're wondering like is he a spiritual being right does

he care about these people it's like i think in his own way he did care about them like there's that

scene when he reveals that he's holding her hostage and he's like i hate to tell you this but and i

really believe that i was like he really doesn't like that he's doing this but like he's also a psychopath

that's doing it so like yeah still a bad guy yep exactly and that's what's so interesting about his

archetype you know kiano you know i just you know you can say i'm biased and you can say that it's

nostalgia i don't care like yeah sometimes i can shake that nostalgia but kiano presented us

with a new level of cool man and he showed us this next evolution of what an action star was going to

be like and as a kid and now today i get giddy about it i love it i get the i get bugs on my skin i love

it so this is a huge f bi agent love it what one to zero i'm passionate about this movie droop good good

i'm passionate about it supporting cast there's a lot of them here john c mcginley wonderful gary bucy

lory patty as tyler which interesting side rando they really that was another big question that they

had with catheter because she you know not to be crass but you know the archetypal thing for an

action movie you know chesty blonde model ask and i mean not that lory patty is an attractive but

you know there is this archetype in it yeah and they that was another thing that they criticized

her heavily for wonderful casting not to give away my cards but

lory patty a huge shout out she's a director now and a producer and she's so good i was i kind of

i kind she's someone who i forget about like but she's in so many good movies whenever i see

you're in a movie like when i saw her in point break i was like oh yeah lory patty she's got a lot

of good stuff and she's and she's good at the roles that she does like i enjoyed her in this movie

so yeah yeah and i'll stop it i'll stop it john c mcginley there were some interesting i mean you

could talk about anthony key this too there's some interesting people though it's worth mentioning

like crispeter's the new plays bunker some of these people were actual surfers in real extreme

athletes so some of these these folks are those so some interesting casting choices to really

to you know push that extreme sports thing through but what do you think about supporting cast here

i like well when i think of this is warning cast i think of gary bucy i think of doctor costs

and i think of what's your name uh love lory patty

lory patty i totally was going with all the different old names but i they were the ones that

jump out to me and i thought they did great i honestly think gary bucy uh it was awesome in this

movie in fact i there was a point where i miss i thought the pot was going to be he was going to be

a corrupt cop i feel like they were setting it up where there's plenty of opportunities where

like it makes sense that he's a corrupt cop and like uh and he and he wasn't but his storyline because

i thought that's where they were going had my interest and i think it was because he was doing a good

job acting so yeah yeah and he's the sage you know he's the wisdom he's the old and and just because

his body is old doesn't mean his mind doesn't doesn't play and i love how i love the inner twining of

their minds you know right um and if bucy is just such a wild man and just in real life he's a wild man

i mean you know so much so that like he had a traumatic brain injury and we still don't know if it's

gary because gary was crazy before it is like this did he is this the brain injury or

is this gary was this pre brain injury which gary is this yeah um but i give this a big fbi because

you know it's just it's just wonderful you know and it's in it's above board you know i think you could

you could almost mail it in and go well it's an action movie and you know whatever this is but but

it's some of these choices are are above board in my opinion especially you know compared to some of

the you know as much as i love the Arnold movies and the sly movies i mean the typecasting

across the board is ridiculous in some of those movies of these are these are choices like

Laurie patty is a choice not just some shoes to fill so and they and they took and they took their

jobs seriously like they delivered so i'm gonna go fbi as well fbi do you love saying it

love it is the best thing in my life yeah that's the war card baby it brings the best and the worst

out of you yeah um writing and i say my friend peter isle if i mean we've talked a lot but i don't

i don't know they've got their besties he's probably over at your house right now for christmas i think

i enjoyed him but uh no i actually emailed him because we're gonna do varsity blues with drew

Harris this year at some point oh cool and because you know he's a bit or drew Harrison you know he's a

big big sports guy yeah and i was gonna see if i could get peter in on that but i don't know how he

feels about varsity blues but anyway writing what do you think about the writing i i think it was good

i'm i'm gonna give it um i think it was a captivating plot i think one of the things i've kind of

remembered when doing the a lot of the movies we've reviewed together is older movies like 90s

ask movies like they just have better plots like maybe things haven't been torn out but i just

feel like people are doing better jobs at writing good stories like it's more captivating you don't

have as much exposition you don't have as much um like a template of a plot of a movie i mean i

mean like you know as it's the quarter mile podcast we haven't mentioned fast and furious enough

like fast and furious movies especially the later ones you know four i'd say five and up like

you don't go into those being like man this is a captivating plot you go in there for the explosions

so when you're watching a good story like it sort of mind like oh someone had to make this happen

on purpose so i'm i'll give it an FBI as well yes i love it yeah i dig it and i wish i knew exactly

what the difference between you know james camera is uncredited so the script doctoring is all

you know that was just you know what peter talks about like he doesn't get credits um you know i would

love to know where camera came in and made those changes and i would love to know like what it

would have looked like under ridley scott but ultimately the choices and you could say that some of

it's a little cheesy and you know but some of this is like cheese and like this set the cliches like

some of the stuff wasn't cliché and it became cliché because of point break you know so i think

and you know and that's another big change yeah things weren't cliché yet because it was starting it

off yeah yeah and it's a big difference too because the one thing that Bruce Willis in talking about

the archetypes changing with with going from the muscle man the super man to the more of an every man

type of protagonist in these movies is the dialogue had to get better because Arnold and sligh

could say a three-word sentence and blow somebody up and woo and i love it still but when you

remove the musculature you know in the tan and the oil it's a little different so you see a noticeable

increase in how these these main actors talk in these films and there's a lot of good stuff here

and i think there's a lot of spiritual conversations that happen between kion and and patrick and

the writing is not mailed in here the dialogue is fantastic so i go f e i all day long perfect we're at

three three zero right now this is a good we're a good movie i mean okay dude if i'm making you wins

man i get side it's this microphone when i started doing voice overwork and i started feeling

the vibrations of my own voices over you know look if you don't if you don't get to enjoy the

vibrations of your voice are you really living like you're not you know yeah yeah don't do drugs

just talk into a microphone it's basically the same thing same thing uh directing Catherine

Bigelow who would go on to be a very big deal what do you think oh man i'm gonna give her an fb i

as well because she took a lot of big steps a big moves especially with kion or he's and um

that i mean it could have gone south for her at any given time and she pushed through i mean i think

any of us at work oftentimes it is tempting to do the safe thing to do like what everyone else

is suggesting and stay out of trouble do your thing maybe it won't be as good but at least you know

it won't be bad and she could have done that in any number of ways uh most especially with how she

casted her lead um but she didn't yeah we are all the better because of it man i don't know if i

could say it better than that that's beautiful i wanted to make sure to give her all the accolades too

because she she is so wonderful um here here's some of her accolades uh best director in 2009 for

the hurtlocker uh and she actually was the first woman in history to win that award

that is wild 2009 was the first time of the year so it's incredible and then best picture she also

won as the producer of that movie um she was nominated and i think zero dark 31 best picture she

didn't win best director but she directed that film and i think it won best picture that year

so really really accomplished and you know he talks about her peter isle have talked about her a lot

and and and apparently you know she was um she was a model before she was a director and he talked

about like she didn't people kind of like you know you know you can be you know what do they call it

when you're you know stereotyping women or whatever right they kind of like oh she's really

gonna get the romance yeah sexist yeah you could say that right it's a it's a male dominated you know

world yeah film and uh but what was interesting is like she she was the most into the action like

she actually couldn't wait to be done with like the romance scenes like that stuff did not interest her

she was into the action and it's one thing to say that but then you go say when when awards for

her locker which was a very impactful action packed movie based on a very real subject matter then

you know then zero dark 30 like this is someone who understands this genre um so you know i love

what you did here like you said anytime i read a story about a director going to bat for an actor

because they see potential and you get a Christian bail out of it you get a kiana out of it that's

wonderful so man f b i maybe even c i a at this point something like l a p d l a p d like more

acronyms but uh katham man good stuff and i love that i wonder what she's working on these days

i haven't seen her name in a while we are at four to zero here we are f b i agents currently uh no

asshole shortage here cinematography production design sound costumes i thought it was all good i

wasn't blown away by anything um i'm gonna give it i'm but i'm still gonna give it an f b i

but with less assertion like the other ones were really quick like obviously yes but this one

was good i mean i just i think what gets you with this movie is the action sequences and the

the characters and the dialogue and the plot i don't know if you ever just you know i know like

when we when we reviewed the crow the first one we walked away saying like man look at the set p like

that it was a character on its own i don't know if i i mean i don't know if i felt necessarily about

that but like i still enjoyed it didn't take away from the movie so we're gonna give it a f b i

i think i think there's two two things that give this huge f b i for me and there is some of like

that's you know like some of the framing is not necessarily earth shattering like especially

the indoor shots like with the office and the banks like nothing really groundbreaking there

but the fact that you know they're doing all these aerial shots the you know the skydiving

which some of that was sorry pardon me some of that was done in in the skydiving like rooms you know

but some of it was done for real um you know so i think they're capturing a lot and then that ending

the ending frame with the when he goes out in the waves and kills himself

that was pretty cool and the slow motion that rat song comes on like that that song was perfect no

one rides for free like there was this orchestra of perfection but yeah there were moments where

it wasn't necessarily like oh that's not groundbreaking but there was enough there was like this is

this moves the needle so i also went fb i but i agree with you it's not like you know this isn't as

resounding as some of the others all right now we're out of our what we call we're out of the

basic categories we're in what we call bro category so these are like more film specific so the

first one is uh to quote one of my i know you're not a huge sports guy but to quote one of my favorite

running backs in an ffl history march on lynch i'm just about that action boss um you know even

know we're we're doding on this movie um we you know there there has been there was critique about

this movie that that it was over the top that the action was was too much um that it was kind of like

stimulus over ride you know think about that that arc of action i described what do you think does this

does this serve well as an as an action film or is this something that uh you know you look at and

say uh set the genre back like what do you what do you think is well i think it's a different kind

of action uh i mean there was a lot of thrills in the skydiving and the i i mean i one of my favorite

scenes is when they're they're doing that raid and they they're breaking into the house and they're

throwing the dogs and dodging lawn mowers i mean that was a very create that that was a fantastic scene to

me um but you know like when i think of like you know it's not like your terminator type movies it's

not like your stuff est or salon like demolition men you know expendables punching and kicking and

blow-ups kind of scenes but i think the i kind of dig the over the top for this movie because

all like you know you think of uh uh bodeys character and he's big into all the extreme thrills

and stuff like that and all of the oh so much of this action was like extreme over the top so

kind of fit with the movie that it was going with so i i'm gonna get i'm gonna give it an FBI

love it yeah i think you know and i think it's a fair argument i think one thing that maybe if you're

a traditional action fan being being like the very short time that traditional action lived in the 80s

you know you weren't used to to more complex characters a bodey character wouldn't work as well

in like raw deal with Arnold in it you know yeah um you so there's more dialogue there's more

complexity but i like it and it doesn't really go up from here you know i think the next person that

really changes action is Michael Bay and i would say the rock was fantastic but i would say that

like eventually like bad boys and some of these other movies like i really do think action became

very contrived um eventually that lost some of its luster so i actually look at it in some ways as

kind of a climax in action so i do think in some ways it never got me better you know yeah um so i

think you know some eventual films that would do it to create it like the crow would be one of those

like really amazing action films but again it's similar in a way that it's more complex than your

your typical 80s um explosions and muscles type of thing so i think i think in this

category to use the word masterpiece isn't yeah oh all right you go you go and beg you say it's a

masterpiece i like that yeah i think in this in this in this genre yeah i think i think oh it's

definitely a masterpiece in this regard like it's definitely not a let's not like a it's not a marvel

of film like it's not scorsese or copula or anything like that but i think when you look at the

archivaction it does a lot that that that challenges the status quo and i think that's awesome man

we're rolling and six is it six is zero so much happy i lastly here this category is called

i can be your hero baby because this is this is the idea it was a big deal kiana who's taken the

torch you know he's a different type of action starts a different type of protagonist let's judge him

as as what he was i mean this next step does he pass muster as an action protagonist star in the

line in the lineage of Arnold sly Bruce Willis as being the next torch bearer here hmm i thought he was

great at what he did but like this this role isn't what put him on an action hero route i mean like

you think of him after the matrix and all the different things that came all the hero types that

came off after the matrix that was like kind of related to kiana reasons and his portrayal nio

i thought it was i thought it was a great hero in this like and what i liked about him in the story is that

you know whereas you see a lot of these old eighties action heroes are larger than life people with

big muscles and they never second-guess themselves are they always doing this right kind of like that

superman mentality of like always going for truth justice the american way and never like

strain from it like what made his character so good in this movie was like he was he was tempted by

kind of the the lifestyle that bode was creating he what i mean he was a flawed character uh don't

get me wrong he ended up doing the right thing ended up he was very good at his job and he could

kick a lot of butt i'm gonna go with no shortage of assholes on this only because i don't think he

was a trend-setting action hero i think he was a good hero though but like that's not what the question

was asking yeah man that's a i've really injured that's a really interesting analysis yeah i like that

you said he's flawed one thing i have thought about it like you couldn't present that kind of complexity

to Arnold you know like a guru villain guy who's like kind of like things he's robin hood

Arnold was about blowing up bad guys you can be a guru you can be simple whoever you want you're

getting blown up and that's just how it is you know which yeah entertaining love it is fun yeah

and you know it going into that's the kind of hero you want to see from Arnold i do go i do go

FBI here um i think it's interesting though one thing that you kind of a nugget you not lose to my

mind is that because of his his approach and the kind of actor he is he did end up getting some very

interesting action roles like the matrix and like john wick it's kind of interesting he kind of almost

it's like i guess the real question is did he impact action or did he carve out his own path

and i feel like he's he's impacted action by carving his own path but i don't know if that started with

like point break yeah okay no interesting maybe and or maybe maybe that was the first domino that

led him to the more notable things that we think about now yeah yeah because speed would come

pretty soon after this and speed was the one where he was like that was like set pieces

go yeah explosions um and i think that's the final note i would put on my FBI vote here is that like

his tenacity to do his own stunts i mean he is injured himself so many times you know doing stunts

he's broken ribs neck fusions and he just keeps going um i i love that and that's kind of one of the

marks of a of an action sorry i don't think Arnold you know slide slide does quite a few but Arnold

is not really a guy that does a lot of his own stunts what we had a clean sweep here i didn't well

know we didn't have a clean sweep we'll call it six and a half two half oh okay that's right is there's

two of us so i i ruined the clean sleep i'm so sorry it's all good it's okay it's not a perfect film

i just am very biased and uh you know it's you know the scorecard does things to me it's like an entity

it really really i really did enjoy this film though i uh because i know um in talking to people

all the time like wait you haven't seen point break like apparently it was a big piece of

culture that i had not yet experienced and uh and after watching it though i was like i can see it

i can see why this was like a big deal and why people are like you're weirdo for not watching it

well we're gonna close out this amazing episode uh few things first of all uh Kyle thanks for doing

this man this is awesome glad i hope you had fun we i enjoyed having you here uh secondly i do have

some big news to drop for quarter mile podcast fans which is uh so our new season season two will be

starting in January i can't remember the right date right now but like it's a week in January and

it's on all of our social media which you can follow us the quarter mile podcast on literally everything

uh and we do have a season two coming up we'll have a new co-host joining me as we uh deal with

fast and furious at Jason films but the big news is is we are moving it from a monthly podcast to a

weekly podcast now movie wars people like whatever man we're weekly podcasts all the time and that's

beautiful and i love that uh and i want that from my podcast i was originally planning on doing one more

year of a month month by month podcast episode and then my thought process as well well if it goes

well we'll make it a weekly podcast but then i was like you know what let's just assume it's gonna go

well and go ahead and make it a weekly podcast so uh when we start back in season two on January

whatever the date is again it will be on all the things we're gonna do it every week so if you like

what we're doing at the quarter mile podcast you're gonna get a lot more of it at a greater frequency

so keep up with that uh and movie wars people if you like movies about fast and furious are related to

fast and furious or further down other movies will do you'll learn more about that and we'd love

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because him and a lot of my comedy friends do amazing movies there and reveal them and talk about them

it's a lot of fun so these are both good podcasts uh and you should check out whichever one you normally

check out you should go check out the other one just check something out just just you know do something

yeah uh checking out yeah cow do you have any uh do you have any um like movie wars news any big

drops to drop to people so i'm just enjoying the new format like i loved talking to comedians in a

non-comedy setting right and that's not so bad when you take the comedy part out of it yeah well

yeah and and and we're smart you know uh for the most part i find comedians to be very smart and so

it's it's you know and everybody with wild is people have just come prepared like you and like i

don't expect anybody to do too much above and more but like you mariana sath like you're all you

always come so research i've just been so blessed by that and so it's made 2.0 a hell of a lot of fun

so just expect more of that this year i love that that's awesome i'm glad to hear that because i

know going into it well i was like well i hope this is as good as one hope this is as good as the first

four years for him yeah no it's been a huge blessing it's been um it's been an unexpected but beloved

you know endeavor so thank you for being part of that yeah well you get the honor of uh

closing out our special christmas crossover episode so do your thing man well you know i was just

thinking like what would i say you know i i don't do new year's resolutions um i i just don't

but uh you know it's you know whatever happened to you this year you know sometimes it's not so bad

to look at january first as a new beginning it's not a bad thing whatever you've been put in off go do

that thing you know what i mean so yeah people just do it man i don't know if you ever think about

this no matter how successful you are at comedy like you're doing it full time i'm not right so you've

obviously achieved that but like do you talk to people like how do you do that like how do you go on

stage i've always wanted to do that and like when i tell people about my book it's like i have this idea

like just go do the thing man like we've got drones off the coast of new jersey we got three wars

going on in the world right now there is so much going on like do it before it's too late man so

you know live your life a quarter mile at a time and go do the thing and don't think about it just

start just start doing it don't think about it just start just do it man i love the american

christmas and happy new years love y'all

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